You may have heard that the GRE is easier than the GMAT, but why? And why are GRE scores less competitive than GMAT scores for top business schools? Orion Taraban, Achievable GRE expert, explains in this podcast episode.
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0.4s Welcome to GRE snacks snackable episodes about the GRE exam and graduate school admissions. I'm Tyler founder of achievable. Let's get started. So today we're going to talk about one of I think the most commonly asked questions with the GRE is should I take the GRE or the GMAT particularly business school people are pretty used to the idea that they have to take the GMAT. But in fact it's better to take the GRE in almost all instances if you wanted to jump in on why do if you are applying to Business Schools and you still think that you need to take the GMAT need to update your browser living in 2017. So that used to be the case that used to be the exclusive proprietary test for Business Schools, but a lot has changed in the last few years now every single top ranked business school accept either the GRE or the G. 60.3s In their applications business school does that you have lots of options and even more so if you absolutely want to take the GRE because the GRE is applicable to business school and pretty much every other graduate program on the planet. 97.5s So if the two tests are treated as functional equivalent, which one you should should you take well, I think that you should always take the GRE. I understand that I'm a haircut. I'm a G. I'm going to be in years. I've taught every test Under the Sun and I believe the GRE to be a little bit less difficult in the GMAT everybody struggles with a lot of these Concepts that are tested are things that most people haven't touched in at least 15 years. Maybe you went over them in middle school and high school, but as a fully functioning adult, you probably haven't thought about the area of a trapezoid. So there's a lot of things that go into preparing for the Quan on top of 157.5s The quantitative section of the GMAT relies heavily on logical reasoning in this question type of data sufficiency, which is also about logic makes it kind of like twice as hard very few quantitative questions to GRE involve logical reasoning it's more purely quantitative, which is just one less thing to worry about right will and I took the GMAT and what I found was like, I mean my tutor at the time with yelling at me cuz he's like stop solving the problem and because I'm good at math and so I was like doing the math and is taking too long. He's like you have to take shortcuts based on logic and like play this game like it's not about it's not about you and sometimes being good at math to be a liability on a standardized tests like the GRE go get phds in mathematics from MIT. 217.4s Are guys who know way more about math and I ever will and they still couldn't beat me on my way to do it the hard way to do it the mathematical way and to be honest. That's just not the route to consistent success on a test. Like the GRE is worse about that than the GRE like driving to GMAT adds that extra layer more often of the logic puzzle. What are the other biggest difference? I think when we've talked about this in the past is how do percentiles work not intuitive and very difficult to understand and they don't actually translate like that. You did some quick math in your head like 10% of 274.3s What is it 170 + 17 then you took that away from 170 to get 153. And so you would think that I 153 is 90% of a 170 that stands to reason as a just a lay person. However, that's not actually hotworx. A153 Qantas near the 50th percentile. That's a pretty average. That's because the GRE doesn't start at 0. So the point is is that scaled scores. Nobody knows what my mom said. He grandma got a 116 on the GRE. She's going to be like, huh? No one knows if that's good or bad. It's very baffling. So rather than only very few specialists in the test prep industry, Oregon grad school admissions really know what a scaled score means 331.2s Just off the top of their head of us rely on percent for bass in the number of people who you scored higher than on that version of the desk right in percentiles in the GMAT verse of the GRE with respect to business school admission. This is really cool and most people don't know the median GRE and GMAT scores for successful applicants to their previous entering classes. And if you take these numbers and you convert them into percentiles, you consistently find that the 383.0s Percentile associated with successful GMAT applicants is significantly higher. 388.9s In the percentile associated with successful GRE applicants at the same programs. This means that you don't have to score as highly on the GRE to be competitive at top ranked business programs. Then you would on the GMAT right and it's literally like need to be in the top 5% of GMAT math scores to get into MIT, but you only need to be in the top 10% of GRE math score to get an MIT 15 ranked Business Schools the year 2020 and I did that analysis and I discovered that on average across the top 15 program. The GMAT percentiles were 90 percentile points higher than the equivalent. Median GRE percentiles like nearly 10% 449.2s 6 percentile for the GRE. So this is as well on this test to GRE to be just as competitive for these programs are exactly the way you always do very poorly. But because of this it in my mind makes no sense to take the GMAT because you have to score better to be just as competitive at the same program. Remember if they accept both of y'all do they can't say all the GMAT has more weight in her applications because you have to do better at it to be successful at our program. Essentially you're setting yourself up for an easier test like just literally and then an easier playing field. 509.2s People on the GRE to be competitive at top ranked business programs in schools were talking about the creme-de-la-creme the top five to 10% of applicants Stanford has a 94% rejection rate. They can take whatever they want. They're going to take the best and brightest in any one of their application pools. So if you don't have to compete against the top 4% even said you can compete against the top say 13% You have a much higher success in your overall goal, which is of course getting into business school and also to getting from 10 to 5, like from top 10 to top 5% is a lot more difficult and getting from the top 20% of the top 10% 569.2s More and more work to make smaller and smaller games. It's not like approaching the speed of light if you're familiar with physics. So sometimes just answering what one more question correctly on a test. Frankly. I don't see that you can move on with the rest of your life. No one wants to stay stuck you have better things to do with your life. 601.0s This is the GRE snacks hosted by Orion from Stellar GRE and Tyler from Achievable achieving Orion and partner to build a great GRE course check it out at achievable.me.